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- From: dmeyer@tiac.net (David Meyer)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Walker Case: two choices.
- Date: 6 Apr 1996 16:40:30 GMT
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- Touliatos Panagiotis (Slayerthegreat@prometheus.hol.gr) wrote:
- : On 04-Apr-96 19:54:10 David Meyer Wrote:
- :
- : >: >So who's stopping you from buying an AT built A4000?
- : >: >
- : >: the high cost of it ;-) , the A4000 have about the same cpu power with a
- : >: dx2/66 PC clone , but costs 4 times more (including monitor).
- <snip>
- : >1/4 the price of an A4000T. Particularly if you want the monitor
- : >included. And real sound, and >4MB of memory, and a >1GB HD, and a full
- : here in greece you can find the PC configuration you have described for
- : 1/4 price of A4000T inclounding monitor, you must admit that the monitor
- : for the 4000 costs much more ,because you have to go for a multisynch
- : monitor in order to see non-flicker resolutions, and the 15Khz ones.
-
- Here in the US, an A4000T costs under $3,000 without a monitor and a PC
- costs over $750, without a monitor. Monitor prices are about the same.
- Don't compare cheap PC monitors with extra-capability monitors for the
- A4000T, any half-wit can see that fallacy.
-
- : >of those specs at that price. What's more, the A4000T with the '040 CPU,
- : >running its multi-tasking GUI is actually faster than most PCs available
- : yeahh in 4-8 colors run very smooth, how about 256 colors? ,even an old
- : Cirrus Logic 5422 card runs windows and os/2 at 800x600x256 faster than
- : any 4000 at 640x512x256 .We need a real upgrade ,the walker doesn't offer
- : this yet,
-
- You use 256 colors on your workbench? You seem to understand that
- this slows things down, so why do you do it? More to the point, why do
- you do something, knowing it will have a specific effect, and then
- complain about that effect? Sounds like the man who says "Hey Dr, it
- hurts when I do this." then hits himself on the head with a hammer.
- Why don't you try to multi-task with that low-cost system? It
- isn't running OS/2, not at under $1,000 - it doesn't have enough memory.
- It isn't running Win'95 - not enough memory and not quite multi-tasking.
- Why not try to render something in Windows or OS/2, compared to an '040
- Amiga for speed.
- The "Walker" is an evolutionary upgrade. A new machine for htose
- who want much more than an A1200 at a price well below that of an A4000T.
- The hardware is nearly up to A4000 standards, better in some cases (like
- the fast serial port, important for folks who spend a lot of time
- on-line), with a lower price. The OS is better.
-
- : > The "Walker" is an update to the A1200, according to Petro T.,
- : >and incorporates several major improvements. Like the ability to add
- : its an upgrade (1MB chip ram !!!) but a minor one.
-
- 1MB chip RAM? This is a -minor- detail! Nice to see that they are
- seroiusly thinking about a full 2MB chip plus 4MB fast so that those of
- us who want more than childrens' games don't have to perform the upgrade
- ourselves. More important is the inclusion of SIMM slots on the m-board.
-
- : >cards (and card slots). If the two in the basic unit are not enough, add
- : come on!!! you call an upgrade , the card slots???? they just did what
- : commodore had to do at 93 when they launch the 1200 ,the ability to add
- : cards its a nececity in computer world ,only commodore didn't realised
- : that ,and they made the console style computers (A500, A500+ , A600,
- : A1200), maybe this design was good enough for the 80's but not for the
-
- You are correct in saying that this upgrade should have happened years
- ago. So what? An upgrade is an upgrade. The Amiga is playing catch-up in
- many ways, this is one.
-
- : >more. And more. You can expand the "Walker" beyond the capacity of an
- : >A4000T! The 68EC030 (680EC30?) @ 40MHz may not be the most powerful of
- : >CPUs, but it is a >4X improvement on the standard A1200. It's faster than
- : so what?? many people already have 030/50 (with MMU) , i believe that
- : these days the 030/50 must be the low low low end for amigas ,with the
- : mid range coming up with 040's ,and the high end with 060's or PPC's, so
- : after all the walker is not a mid range amiga as claimed by AT but a low
- : end machine.
-
- The "Walker" is likely to be defined as a "mid-range" system
- until the last key-board unit is out the door. Then it will become the
- new, defacto, low-end machine. It has considerably more power than a
- standard A1200 ans considerably more built-in expandability than any
- A1200. (external towers are -not- built-in)
- What do you need the added power for, by the way? What do you do
- with your system that would benefit from more CPU? Beyond the more than 4X
- power increase the "Walker" would have over the A1200? Just curious.
-